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Author: | phillnjack [ February 21st, 2016, 10:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Putting a pad on the Hull |
How easy or hard is it to fit a pad on the bottom of a hull ? How long should a pad be on say a 13ft boat and how wide would be ideal. is the pad only any good if the boat is stern heavy ? |
Author: | OneCycle [ February 21st, 2016, 4:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
its actually not hard at all.. just sand a flat spot and leg bolt a 2x6 on the bottom along the Vee.. then Fibreglass the 2x6.. you can drill holes in the 2x6 to make it lighter.... |
Author: | phillnjack [ February 21st, 2016, 8:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
what is leg bolt ? ive not heard of that term before. and what length would be needed for a pad ? would this be best as long as possible? and how much gain would you get over the same hull before pad fitted ? sorry for lots of questions but not something ive done before. |
Author: | idvette [ February 21st, 2016, 9:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
James I think you're underestimating the overall process of fitting a proper pad to a boat hull. The holy 2x6 would work, but only as a plug for a mould. The beauty of the 2x6 is definitely the pre-formed rounded corners and guaranteed straightness, but at the risk of expansion, contraction, and the rot factor. If you were to build a large trough, glue the 2x6 to the bottom of the hull, then set it in the trough (filled with reinforced concrete), you have a good base to work with. Then you could lay up a paper mache model for hydrodynamic testing (because every hull will react differently to a pad design) being sure to pay particular attention to the holes themselves (much like dimples on a golf ball, they will break up the surface tension and improve performance). There's a lot more science involved than you're letting on. Once the paper mache model is perfect, you can then fill the concrete mould with a smoothing agent (such as drywall repair compound, or if you're really up for it, bondo), re-fit your worked paper mache model in your concrete mould, and voilĂ , your almost end product. Ideally, you would map it out with a point to point computer and have it CNC cut from MDF, but without such technology one could also use a 2 part foam to fill the mould (foam never rots, see scream and fly for proof). After that sets, bond it to the hull with PL 3000 (or the previously mentioned leg bolts, if they were set in the foam during the curing process), seal and paint it. Only takes a few minutes to explain, but some serious labour involved. Good luck. |
Author: | DoktorC [ February 21st, 2016, 9:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
Just excellent work..excellent. Buy a boat with a pad....end of story. |
Author: | dubber [ February 23rd, 2016, 12:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
DoktorC wrote: Buy a boat with a pad....end of story. X2. I would suspect the results of such a project would turn out really well or horribly wrong weighted heavily towards the latter. |
Author: | BoomerMuskoka [ February 23rd, 2016, 8:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
idvette wrote: James I think you're underestimating the overall process of fitting a proper pad to a boat hull. The holy 2x6 would work, but only as a plug for a mould. The beauty of the 2x6 is definitely the pre-formed rounded corners and guaranteed straightness, but at the risk of expansion, contraction, and the rot factor. If you were to build a large trough, glue the 2x6 to the bottom of the hull, then set it in the trough (filled with reinforced concrete), you have a good base to work with. Then you could lay up a paper mache model for hydrodynamic testing (because every hull will react differently to a pad design) being sure to pay particular attention to the holes themselves (much like dimples on a golf ball, they will break up the surface tension and improve performance). There's a lot more science involved than you're letting on. Once the paper mache model is perfect, you can then fill the concrete mould with a smoothing agent (such as drywall repair compound, or if you're really up for it, bondo), re-fit your worked paper mache model in your concrete mould, and voilĂ , your almost end product. Ideally, you would map it out with a point to point computer and have it CNC cut from MDF, but without such technology one could also use a 2 part foam to fill the mould (foam never rots, see scream and fly for proof). After that sets, bond it to the hull with PL 3000 (or the previously mentioned leg bolts, if they were set in the foam during the curing process), seal and paint it. Only takes a few minutes to explain, but some serious labour involved. Good luck. solid spruce WILL NEVER rot!!! |
Author: | steves jem [ February 24th, 2016, 4:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
Phil |
Author: | steves jem [ February 24th, 2016, 4:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
Phil There is a lot of work and trial and error with coming up with the best design for a successful pad. Depending on what construction the boat is will determine what you construct the pad out of. There are many performance options to consider. Before deciding on how wide, deep and construction I would suggest that you have a look at those in your country that are the top runners of boats with Pads or flats and try to copy. I have experimented with such since 1974 to 1976 on boats from 11'6 to 14' and ranging in HP from 50 HP to the FT19s and OMC SST60. I never went past 3/4 in in depth. My pads or flats use to have a 3/8 in concave running from a depth of 3/4 in at the front to 3/8 in at 18 in from the transom and then the outer edges tapering to 1/4 in at the transom. This resulted in a tunnel of air running between the bottom of the boat and the water and being compressed in the last 18in. At 55mph I gained an extra 1 mph over a standard Pad. From memory back to the 70's the Allison's flats are not that deep and also had a concave. Best of luck with your choice |
Author: | wildcatt [ February 24th, 2016, 8:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Putting a pad on the Hull |
DoktorC wrote: Just excellent work..excellent. Buy a boat with a pad....end of story. X2 - this gets my choice. Adding a pad has been done, with mixed results, and usually a lot of work. |
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